This entry was posted by Jessica Young on August 3, 2013 at 1:21 pm
Canadians discuss the realities of their single payer health care system, and take exception to the American right wing’s insulting it.
Weird, I received no better care, slower care in the States the couple of times I needed care when visiting.
And my wife had 2 c-sections, one emergency, and received excellent care. Save her life and my daughter’s.
The average wait time to see a specialist is 4.2 weeks, according to a Stats can report. We also don’t wait to see one when urgent. And its always been extra to buy prescription & dental but its very affordable.
And that $68/month Albertans pay covers ALL hospital care.
Lived in Canada for 9 years, and you got better, faster care in the US than in Canada. I had a manager in a restaurant that lost her baby in a Canadian hospital as she was miscarrying. There is a 6 to 9 month waiting list for specialists. I had to get a second healthcare plan from Blue Cross to pay for prescriptions and dental. This video is a farce. In Alberta, you pay for healthcare because they do not pay GST, and it’s like an hmo payment. I was paying $68.00 a month.
Ok. The music is annoying.
What chronic conditions? I know well over 500 Canadians, and know only one who is going to get steroid shots for his back and pay $5000, for shots he can get for nothing in a month’s time.
Anyone I know who has been ‘too sick’ have received excellent, timely treatment.
And what do you mean we have no control over our own healthcare treatment? You mean the kind of control an insurance company has on yours?
I know two Canadians that come to the US for healthcare for chronic conditions. Canadian health care is fine as long as you don’t get ‘too sick’. Then it’s lackluster and you have no control over your own health care treatment. Of course, those that come south, have the money to do so.
MadHabber93 is nothing but a handicap retard trying to get honest working Americans to pay his hospital bills do not listen to his lies because he wants the USA to be like Canada what a fucking loser.
That’s when I don’t mind paying taxes when used properly and efficiently.
actually there’s one bit I missed out. that is the state of Western Australia (VERY wealthy from massive mines and gasfields, i grew up there) keeps its GST instead of handing it over to the feds. it uses some of its GST for its hospitals and has money left over for other stuff. They used to say in the 80’s that one in 50 people in western australia was a millionaire.
have you seen a vídeo called ” a monopoly on lives”? there, a canadian repórter shows that the system of healthcare in canada is not what you’re talking about. people are wating too long in line just to see a doctor, and some of the patience have even lost their lives. please, watch the vídeo.
well, i just saw a vídeo where the woman from canada had to pay a hundred Thousand dollars to get a surgery . but, i would add that your system is ok.
I forgot to add this: The diagnosis: “You are too fat for your body”
I’ve been in the US military and so has most of my family for a long time. I have seen what the government can do with health care. My dad was extremely stricken with cancer, and my US government told him to take acupuncture.
50% of the US population doesn’t even know what Obamacare is. Of those 50% who do know what it is, that 50% opposes it. And it is the 50% who actually pays into the federal income tax system in the USA.
Go to the USA and ask what is Obamacare, and you won’t get a good response, unless it is one of those guys who pays into the federal income tax system. Any half-educated person would know that this is a BAD, BAD idea.
We do know already. We have the “VA” here in America. How many people are in Canada? Like 35 million? We have 10 times that many in the USA.
The “VA” is the veterans affair hospital which is to cater to military veterans. And like everything else ran by our government, it is basically not-very-good. My dad had cancer and they didn’t diagnose him, they gave him acupuncture. He died.
Talk to the English. I have. I lived there. The care is good. But you have to wait a LONG time.
It’s funny when you have people that socialized health care works for speaking out for it that people who disagree still don’t believe when they don’t have it.
We have a 5% GST, plus provincial tax rate of 8%. Some provinces are lower, with Alberta having non, so they just pay 5%. We only the private option for medication, dental, chiro and physio. Not medical or hospital care. With the exception of Quebec. Wouldn’t want any other way. Love Australia btw. Wife and I there 8 years ago.
American system is a joke. here in Australia we have an option between private and public. an texan expat i worked with told me that the cost of surgery in USA compared to private australian system is basically 5 fold. i rarely get sick so opted for the public system. everyone pays a 10% GST on all goods and services and that pretty much covers is. plus 1.5% income tax added on ( so my tax is like 30% so it goes to 31.5% ) but that 1.5% is taken off if you go private. still pay the 10% GST tho.
Please tell us, what facts are you referring to?
Three. They then extrapulate numbers based on those % guesses, which is b.s. math. And that’s why they asked the docs for a % vs. an actual number, because a % will give a very false high number when they compare it to their actual patient count. It’s a purely biased report by a right wing think tank that supports private for profit health insurance.
Its biased because of the way they gathered the information. They only surveyed a small number of physicians for one, second they asked them a general quesiton. What % of their patients have received care in the U.S.? What’s the problem with that? A number of things. First, it doesn’t distinguish if they happen to be in the States and needed care or specifically went there for care. Two, the docs are guessing, as it would take days to go through all those patient charts. cont’d.
I don’t see how the Frasier study is biased?
It estimated 46,159 people in Canada had received an elective surgery outside the country in 2010.
We know that 6 million Americans leave the US for elective surgeries yearly.
So… Americans are 15 times more likely (6/304 vs. 0.046/34) to leave the US for treatment than Canadians are Canada. It doesn’t matter if Frasier has conservative bias or not… even if the 46,159 number is padded 50%, 200%, 500%, it is still insanely low vs. the US.
Proven bias? Really? Okey doke dude.
I am just loving the fact that even in the face of your source being proven bias on the accounts of possible bribe and moral incompetence you defend it.
Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn about your insults, but I do think they are just the sweetest things.
The CIHI is an unbiased research group. The same cannot be said about Fraser.
I guess your intellectually dead then aren’t you. Oh well. Still, have a great weekend. Hope you don’t lose your insurance.
Says the person who linked a source of being paid by the Canadian Institutes of Health Research and insults it’s reader by saying anyone who disagrees with it is intellectually dead.
Let me play for you the world’s smallest violin.
You clearly have no understanding of who Fraser is. And unlike Fraser, my source is an unbiased source. Sorry. Have a super weekend.
Once again, baseless claim with no evidence of bias.
If you claim of bias is because they are ‘right-wing’ then frankly my dear I don’t give a damn since you have not addressed the issue of your own bias claim. I’m finished with this conversation unless you can point to something intelligent.
The Fraser Institute is a right wing, Canadian think tank that is firmly in belief in free market in everything. They are entirely biased towards private for profit insurance and they make no bones about it. Its a known fact.
The study they performed was a joke at best.
How about you first.
The institute is legitimate from what I am reading up on it, and the list of controversies have more to do with tobacco then healthcare. You have presented no proof of bias, but your article is bias in the very sense of being payed by Canadian Institutes of Health Research, which it states in it’s own article.
Just found Moran’s article, and yes, he uses the Fraser Institute as his reference. A B.S> report with flawed math from a completely biased organization who wants private for profit health insurance brought into Canada. Get a new source.
THe Daily Journal?? Never heard of it and I would LOVE to see where he gets his stat from. My guess, the Fraser Institute. You can claim a number, backing it up is more difficult.
And Phantoms in the Snow study I don’t believe was done by CIHI.
The Daily Journal done by Andrew Moran, a news article in July of 2012.
However, since you are basing your facts off a study who was payed by the Canadian Institutes of Health Research and it insults it’s reader by saying anyone who disagrees with their study is ‘intellectually dead’, how about you take that snob nose of your’s and stick it in a blender.
That ‘fact’ of 40,000 is complete and utter b.s. Where did you get that stat from? Fraser?
It does not happen many times. Again, its a myth. Period.
The fact the end of the study calls anyone who doesn’t agree with them as ‘intellectually dead’. . . .how about a more direct fact that over 40,000 of 38 million come across the border to seek healthcare in the USA. I never claimed hordes of canadians come into Michigan, but do not deny the fact it happens many a time.
Healthcare is expensive, and government running it. . .in the USA. . .it beyond the comprehension of cost. One could summon dead gods with that thinking.
This has nothing to do with my support and everything to do with a troll I’ve been dealing with for a couple of years now. He LIES about our system and continues to. Again, he is dealing with Workman’s comp, yet tries to tie his experience with all other Canadians that are NOT part of it. It’s comparing apples and oranges, he knows this, yet continues to lie about it. And yes, sometimes with lunatics like this, being verbally abusive is the only way to deal with idiots like this.
Can you argue your point without being verbally abusive? That’s what I’m asking
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