This entry was posted by Dale Nelson on March 14, 2014 at 4:32 pm
Sen. Bernie Sanders asked a panel of experts to contrast the United States health care system with single-payer models throughout the world.
Health Care: U.S. vs. Canada
Dr. Danielle Martin, a family physician from Toronto, compared health care
in her country to the more expensive but less effective system in the
United States. She was questioned at a Senate hearing on Tuesday by Sen.
Bernie Sanders, the health subcommittee chairman, and Sen. Richard Burr,
the ranking Republican. With a hint of sarcasm, Sanders asked the doctor to
explain how come the conservative Canadian premier hasn’t gotten rid of the
country’s health care system. In another exchange, as the Los Angeles Times
put it, Dr. Martin “bats down the myths and misunderstandings about the
Canadian system that Burr throws at her.” Burr, for example, asked why
former Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams had a heart valve operation in
Miami, where he owns a condo, instead of in Canada.
Love it – Canadian doctor makes US senator look like a moron
*Speaking before a Senate subcommittee on Tuesday, Dr. Danielle Martin,
vice president at the Women’s College Hospital in Toronto, masterfully
showed how to smack down a disingenuous politician’s misleading and
misinformed questions with courtesy, intelligence and, well, facts*
*In this instance, the role of disingenuous and ill-informed politician was
played by North Carolina’s GOP Sen. Richard Burr, who decided to use his
question time to imply that the Canadian healthcare system was bad because
it led to Canadian doctors moving to America and rich people going to the
U.S. to get complicated and expensive surgery. These were both good points
— except for the fact that they were, as Martin made clear, completely
#healthcare #canada #ushealthcare
Here in Australia we have single payer with the option to have private
which most don’t opt for the private option due to the cost as the federal
government covers the cost and we love and are amazed when we see a country
like America a super power cant not provide a single payer option due to
the many special interest group cashing in to keep the system in place they
You can get MRIs/Ultrasounds/Xrays/etc at clinics in Canada with no wait
you simply need a referral from a GP and you must pay a few hundred
dollars…if there really are Canadians that go to the USA for MRIs they’re
ignorant of local services
Smacked down like the punk he is.
Reminds me of the Canada vs USA Olympic hockey….and the outcome is the
We need a single payer system. Period.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS. The Canadian single payer system while far from
perfect is pretty damned AMAZING and we never have to worry about whether
or not we have enough money to literally survive (ie. recieve medical
attention). That sort of stress or anxiety freaks us the fuck out. Who
would want to worry about whether or not they can afford to fix their
broken arm or a necessary surgery????? It’s unfathomable for us Canadians!
Mr. Sanders I don’t know you or your politics, but it was nice to see a
politician LISTENING to REASON.
Why is Senator Burr such an asshat?
The idea that, we as Canadians, don’t know about the American system and
therefore that is why we like our system is an UTTER farce. The vast
majority of Canadians know about the American system, we grow up hearing
about it, it is in our primary schools, our high schools, our universities
and colleges. We talk about it to our doctors, and parents and friends. We
have all judged the American system and we have found that few if any of us
Great job, Dr Danielle Martin!
Canada For The Win!
I’m surprised that American thinks we Canadians don’t know about their
Health Care system. Ha. We know all about it.
Canadian Doctor teaching a thing or two about the Canadian HealthCare
system to Congress.
wtf, is this bitch crazy? she is making up random facts.
Canadians also saw “Breaking Bad” and know what garbage healthcare can do
to a mild-mannered chemistry teacher.
Richard Burr got pewned!!! ole girl put it on him!
for elective procedures you may have to wait depending on several factors
(such as the procedure needed, city you are in, number of other patients
waiting, number of doctors available)
No we Canadians don’t know the American system, that’s because they don’t
have a system
nice combover bernie
So Ms. Pipes believes Americans are not nice? Or not as nice as Canadians?
I shit upon the two payer system. Fuck those private company’s, Let them go
I am Canadian and I have Temporal Lobe Epilepsy. When I was in my late
teens I experience my first seizure event. I fell backwards and landed on
the back of my head, concussing myself. I was unconscious for about an
hour. By the time I awoke, an ambulance had been called and arrived, I had
been transferred to hospital, and I had been given an MRI and a spinal tap
to rule out meningitis and a nuero-pathological cause.
In my early 30’s now, I have a American, Harvard-trained Behavioural
Neurologist who has an American, Harvard-trained neuropathologist husband,
both of whom moved to Canada to focus on patient care. I had been without
an MRI for about five years as there were no physical indicators to suggest
there were any problems. Having my first child I asked to be rescanned
(probably the fifth MRI in my life). There was a referral process. It took
about 2 weeks to get a new EEG and about a month to get a new MRI. When
receiving my new MRI a patient came in emergency, either in a car accident,
or possibly some sort of other neurological episode. I’m not sure. He was
triaged and put ahead in queue. I had to wait and extra hour.
So in the end it took one month and one hour to get a non-emergency MRI.
The waiting room was happy to wait while someone with dire need was put
ahead of us. It cost me $7 (parking).
When people talk to me about this system not working and about wait times
for rather marginal procedures I have to laugh. I’ve been in and out of the
system for half my life and I have a dozen stories like these.
I want to add one more thing. I’m a business owner. I have been my whole
life. I employ people and help to drive the economy. I am very capitalistic
in my pursuits. But I would have never had the opportunity to have started
a business (or three) under the system of healthcare in the United State.
Insurance would have been simply too prohibitive.
People talk about socialism and that it’s not free. I pay less taxes in
Alberta, both personally and at the corporate level, than I would anywhere
in the United States, and I live in a jurisdiction that is widely
considered to be the freest market economy in the world. And statistically,
I will live longer that those outside the “socialist umbrella” of
I was diagnosed with bowel cancer in UK. I was in hospital in 3 days. 0
co-pay and 0 bills. While I was living there I developed a rash. It took 6
weeks to see a dermatologist. When I moved to Oregon, the rash reappeared.
To see a dermatologist: 8 weeks. Go figure. To answer the question about
Canadians coming to the US for healthcare, you can *always* find isolated
extremes to “prove” you point. Another implied point the GOP senator
ignores is that, if you have enough money, it doesn’t much matter what kind
of healthcare insurance or ‘system’ you have. You can go where you want.
Too many Americans do not have that choice. What’s important is what works
best for most.
It’s pretty much a given that the GOP will invite Sally Pipes (paid
propagandist) and token Canadian physician David Gratzer to these hearings
to trash the canadian healthcare system. Why wasn’t Gratzer there today?
I can only assume he was afraid to testify after the last time he
appeared, and Dennis Kucinich ripped his propaganda to shreds with actual
DATA on waiting times from STATISTICS CANADA; rather than just stupid
anecdotes about the odd Canadian going to the United States for treatments.
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